relationship with all these militant groups mostly because they want us to use them as proxies against india which is their long-term adversary but now it has come back to haunt them and many of these same militant islamic groups that they sort of thought they could manage or handle have gotten way out of control and not only moving against afghanistan but in many cases turning against the pakistani state itself. >> you spent a lot of time in the country reporting from there, pam constable. the feeling many ode pakistanies have for the taliban. we see all these terrible things the taliban does. and yet you say many pakistanies regard it as a force for good. >> yes. i would say that, you know, i don't want to oversimplify by saying that the pakistanies are in love with the taliban. it's not true. most pakistanies have never met a member of the taliban and most pakistanis would sit here and say they don't believe in chopping off people's heads or any of the terrible things they do. but on the other hand, there's a great surge in what i call a very emotional kind of attachment to the religion o